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On 12 Sep 2004 16:56:01 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: ….The Plant demands, in this post I reply to, that I not cross post Its posts to other groups…..whadda yah think folks, shall I not crosspost on threat of ….something bad happening to me…eheheheh…? …………………………….nah……R R R R R e e e e >Subject: Re: |Re: Please! Not social workers, caseworkers >From: fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) >Date: 9/12/2004 10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040912104952.25417.00000…@mb-m22.aol.com> >TOP Post: >Why aren’t these drones working.
Translation: "Awk! Awk!" >Cane bleats: >> I’ve probably been in 25 or 30 offices of >>CPS so many times I’ve lost count and universally they sit, when they >>have time from their "driving around in state cars drumming up >>business" (R R R R …OH SHIT…THAT A GOOD ONE) in cubicles lined >>with pictures of their kids. Many >DRONES. Ineffective, ineffectual, failed audits. No good outcomes.
Translation: "Awk! Awk!" >>show me how much their child had grown or developed since the last >>time I was there, three weeks before. It was cute and funny. >Got lots of time to stroll thru CPS offices.
Translation: "Awk! Awk!" Sure I do. I’m "comfortable" as they used to say. >Is that why every state failed? You drone on like a boar. Spelling >intentional.
Translation: "Awk! Awk!" My "strolling" makes the states fail? I’ve never heard boars drone. I’ve shot a few. Knifed two, baynetted would be more accurate. Koolau Range on the Island of Oahu, and in the mountains of Molokai. One nearly got me but the dogs turned him. Ah, youth. What I wouldn’t give……. >Unfortunately, I would like to see CPS become more effective.
Oh, then you are against the droouggyy plan? Please explain? It’s nice to see that you understand the conflicting roles of CPS and the police, and how the latter taking over that of the former in the investigation area could result in more criminal convictions and disruptions of families…kids don’t care if they parents are crooks as long as they can have them….sadly the two don’t go together. >And lawsuits are one way.
Really. Take money from a strapped agency, even sometimes by fraudulent claims…which CPS, like all government agencies have to settle out of court if the AG vets the case as too costly..(not unwinnable) just too costly to pursue? It’s common. I won’t tell you the dollar amounts I know that are the bottom line trigger number, as greegor would wet himself with anticipation, but it’s pretty damn high. More than I got for my last timber sale and that was the Japan at the highest the market has ever been…made me a ….well, nevermind. >It’s happening now. CPS has outlived its mandate, and needs to operate >preventatively, not punitively.
I see. Investigation possible abuse and neglect isn’t a preventative? So tell us. What would be a preventative operation? And if Head Start, by the way, worked to reduce child abuse and neglect how is it we saw not such change in data from its inception to the present? >BTW, do not forward my posts to NG which I have not posted to.
Oh, what are you going to do, drip Sap on me? I’ll forward them anywhere I please, including directly to those you malign slanderously. >But your coarse,
Actually I’m mistaken for a Methodist preacher from time to time. >bluff-like behavior
Don’t assume anyone is bluffing unless you have the means to counter if they are not. > shows the utter RACKETEERING, RICO >behavior manifest by lobbyists
Are you accusing me of being a racketeer? >who need to continue the failed status quo with >CPS nationwide.
Translation: "Awk! Awk!" Well, I do need to continue the good work CPS has done, as evidenced even things you twits have posted, pointing to federal databases and such. Yet I’m always in favor of improvement. One family helped and winning, as Dan does it, is more powerful a reform act than the years of blathering lying misleading reformer insulting and disrupting garbage you post. You could be, from my perspective, a practitioner of CPS confusion, sent here to pretend to be a reformer to discredit reformers. On the other hand, I am reasonable sure CPS doesn’t operate that way. I am a far more effective reformer than you, a supporter and advocate for relatives…as I DO things, I don’t sit and whine about how bad things are…when they are not. By the way, what’s a "failed status quo?" Your command of english is matched by your command of simple logic. Kane, the boar, eh? My astrological sign in the asian calendar by the way, Thank you, stupid, for yet another chance to educate you and others. Propagandists don’t stand a chance against those such as I…all we have to do is keep telling the truth long enough….it’s a rule that works both ways…and my persistence is something amazing. Asian Zodiac: Boar Years: 1923, 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007 Character: Pure of heart, Boar people are generous and kind. Full of inner strength and courage, they can take on any task. A friend who listens, the Boar is sincere and trustworthy. They are driven by their passion for life. Compatible with: Tiger, Rabbit, Rat and Ram Non-Compatible with: Snake Western Counterpart: Scorpio Famous Boars: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Chiang Kai-Shek, Woody Allen, Lucille Ball, Billy Crystal, Steven Spielberg, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stephen King, Henry Ford, John McEnroe, Tracey Ullman, Phil Donahue, Fred Astaire, Thomas Jefferson, Dudley Moore, Farrah Fawcett, Robert Dole, Jerry Lee Lewis, Humphrey Bogart, Julie Andrews, Richard Dreyfuss, Henry Kissinger, Marie Osmond, Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Dalai Lama. I once had a dream I later related to a Chinese friend, who claimed it propitious, that I would have my hearts desires…and damn, it came together over the next three years exactly that way…and I’m not superstitious at all. I dreampt I was hunting the lower very dry country of leeward Molokai, a place I hunted when I worked for the Cook family. 20,000 acres or more of Kiawa (algoroba..mesquite) and lantana (honest, it grows wild there, waist high and hides axis deer and wild pig all too well). I came to a canyon, about 20 yards across, and a small pack of pigs showed on the farside feeding on Kiawe pods. I shot the large boar leading them. Then with my companions I crossed the ravine, a rugged climb, very hot and dry and itchy from the lantana. I split the pig open and field dressed, gutted, him, and put him up on my back around my neck..probably near a hundred pounds. After a short walk he came to life (of course I never had one do that in real life) and I set him down and he snorted and began hunting for food along the ground and wandered away. No heart, lungs, nothing. Just life force. I let him go. You ever dream about a wild boar? Maybe tonight. I’m as lucky for others as I am for myself. My current wife, (my previous wife passed) came along about two months after I had that dream, Her life was changed by me, rather dramatically for the better. I think she still thinks so, <smile>. I do hope you’ll dream of a boar tonight, and it must be propitious of you to suddenly pop up with that metaphore. Maybe something good is about to happen for you…like you will awaken your honesty and you’ll stop this dangerous treatment of families that come here. And slough off the crackpot notions of phony reform. Kane
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On 12 Sep 2004 14:49:52 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: >TOP Post: >Why aren’t these drones working.
The ones in the cubicles? Where do you wish them to work? They have reports to make, calls to return, calls to make, case preparation to appear in court to do, children to visit, CRB panels to testify to, and of course their "drive around in state cars looking for families to terrorize." 0;-> Do you think they’d do better work if the conditions, like not being allowed to put up pics of family and friends, and pets, and children, and possibly being flogged every four hours just to touch them up and keep them from driving so much would help? >Cane bleats: >> I’ve probably been in 25 or 30 offices of >>CPS so many times I’ve lost count and universally they sit, when they >>have time from their "driving around in state cars drumming up >>business" (R R R R …OH SHIT…THAT A GOOD ONE) in cubicles lined >>with pictures of their kids. Many >DRONES.
Uh, they tend to get lost in the employeement probationary period, usually six months in most states. It’s easy to spot those that don’t work, in the middle of a high tension high productive site like a working CPS office. It’s one of the noisiest office setting worksites I’ve ever visited. Nike was a bit noisier, but that was because they were geared to fun…CPS isn’t. > Ineffective,
Not according the the data at DHHS/ACF. In fact they have done some extraordinary work in the face of all the obsticles. Lack of funding. Low wages for the responsibilities they have. >ineffectual,
When they immediately stop an abuse, or dangerous neglect situation I tend to cut them some slack on being "ineffectual" at satisfying your demands. Hell, I might even forgive them if they DID just go for a ride in a state care for a bit to get out of the madness of what they see and hear hour after hour in their work. It’s never-ending…when it isn’t their own cases it’s that of their neighbor they can hear the business of over the cubicle wall. You’d cave with about 20 minutes of that, or be kicked out in the sixth month of your probation as being ineffective, and unproductive. You are you know, even at this. >failed audits.
Yes some. Not all areas, and not all states in all areas. As I’ve posted proof of. For true reform one does not simply kneecap the players. True reformers list the areas needing work (this is going on even now by others, and CPS is going to earn funding by meeting the new goals..and do it NOT by meeting ALL shortfalls…just the ones most needed). You’d also, to encourage, as it does all humans, point out, as the audits DO, the areas of success. None of you do that. That is how I know you are not genuine reformers at all. > No good outcomes.
Not according to even the feds that did the evaluations. They recognized the successes, and even the "leaners" as they say in horseshoes…and leaners get wins… Children were served and families were still served in those areas you call "failures." Many of them. Blood lust is such an ugle thing for a women, don’t you think, Fern? I’ve likened, in my mind, this forum, to a day at the Roman Collesium, with blood on the sand, and lust maddened spectators giving thumbs down again and again, until the disgusting point where I don’t read it anymore. >>show me how much their child had grown or developed since the last >>time I was there, three weeks before. It was cute and funny. >Got lots of time to stroll thru CPS offices.
No, and yes. What difference would it make to refuting your claims, one way or the other? Or are we going steady now? >Is that why every state failed?
No, because every state did not fail on all counts. 16 did. >You drone on like a boar. Spelling >intentional.
I know. Your insults are as effective as your untruths and misleading disconnected propaganda. >Unfortunately, I would like to see CPS become more effective.
And spoil your fun? Read that line out loud. You are saying, in effect, that it’s unfortunate that you would like to see CPS become more effective. Do you get the irony of your syntax clumsiness? It would make you deeply saddened if that claim actually did come true, because it would either reduce your exercising your bloodlust, or you’d have to go hunting for prey elsewhere, a tough job at your age, changing. >And lawsuits are one way.
Yes. I keep waiting for you to come up with others, that do not exacerbate the problem of an already funding strapped agency. So far I see none. Got any? Unnngh, that do NOT cost more money? >It’s happening now.
The lawsuits? Sure. Always some around. Some justfied, and many not. CPS has a formula for dealing with them. I won’t tell you or other possible miscreants what it is, but it works to cut expenses to the taxpayer for that budget item (they actually forecast for it now, actuarially). So tell me, how high do you wish to be taxed? Bleeding Heart Liberal are you? > CPS has outlived its mandate,
Nope. Not until child abuse and neglect are gone. >and needs to operate >preventatively,
Other programs, many totally voluntary, are already mandated to the prevention goals. Even the local parks department has them. > not punitively.
Yes, I’d love it, and you’ll let me know when it starts, that people who use their own children for the sexual pleasure, who don’t even afford the children toothbrushes, soap, and hit them frequently, start coming to non-punitive based voluntary prevention programs. The idea that throwing money at Head Start is the answer I think is the same kind of magical thinking little children do so much of. >BTW, do not forward my posts to NG which I have not posted to.
I don’t. I reply and crosspost MY post to other groups. And I’ll continue to do as I please with my post, including attribute yours fully or partially as I see fit. You forward other’s posts, you cut and paste, you even place misleading subject lines over others written product. >But your coarse, bluff-like behavior
You can’t tell if I am bluffing or not. Someday, if I’m kindly disposed, I’ll tell you if I’ve followed through on some of the things I’ve told you I’ve done in regards to you, but I’ll have to have your genuine E-mail addy to do that. >shows the utter RACKETEERING,
Are you speaking of me? Kane, know by this name to probably thousands of people in my non-digital world…all over Hawaii, for instance, and in Taiwan? Thin ice, ducky. Thin ice. >RICO >behavior
And it’s getting warmer. Would you care to retract, or are you going to remain as blind to the facts of the world as you seem to be in other matters? > manifest by lobbyists
That I am and have been. Against CPS shortcomings. I simply don’t lie and scream for their blood. They seem to respond better, even when I catch them at serious mistakes or malfeasance. Funny about how effective I am, and how impotent you and others here are. I think it has to do with "doing," rather than "whining." We tend to know how to make things work. Practicing ’success’ tends to do that. > who need to continue the failed status quo with >CPS nationwide.
I have no such need, nor would I even if what you claim were true. I come and go and act or not in this world as I see fit. CPS hasn’t failed, and "status" is still "quo" because it’s the citizen’s "status" and "quo" not mine, or CPS’ exclusively. CPS is the servant of the people, citizens that work, and vote, and whose elected representatives have formed CPS. You have a good day, Fern. And yes, I am crossposting my reply to another ng. I might do two or three others..haven’t decided yet, as I compose. We’ll see. I’m sure I’ll do aps, as this is where you do so much off-topic posting and I thought, just for old time’s sake, I’d keep up the tradition for awhile. Until I’m done with you. Kane
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"Kane" <pohakuyakok…@subdimension.com> wrote in message
news:7ed8d1be.0409121218.137802ac@posting.google.com… > On 12 Sep 2004 16:56:01 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: > ….The Plant demands, in this post I reply to, that I not cross post > Its posts to other groups…..whadda yah think folks, shall I not > crosspost on threat of ….something bad happening to > me…eheheheh…? > …………………………….nah……R R R R R e e e e
This is among the more humorous of it’s posts! This lifeform is infamous for crossposting, even to the extent of posting unknowing other’s posts to disparate newsgroups without their knowledge. My dear departed Mommy used to have lots of axiom’s, one of my favorites being: "A fox always smells it’s own hole first". If one has had the opportunity to ride to the hounds, this little ditty will be found to be ever so applicable towards this old critter. Sherman.
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