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Don’t you have a Powersmoke though Chris. I would expect any decent diesel would out pull most any gasser <g. I like the torque of the V10, wouldn’t mind having over 400 lb/ft.
Yep. It is even enough most of the time. In the hills, though, it will downshift, unfortunately. Oh well, I guess I’ll never be satisfied.
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Don’t you have a Powersmoke though Chris. I would expect any decent diesel would out pull most any gasser <g. I like the torque of the V10, wouldn’t mind having over 400 lb/ft. Yep. It is even enough most of the time. In the hills, though, it will downshift, unfortunately. Oh well, I guess I’ll never be satisfied.
Sounds like you "need" to chip it then <g. Or go for granny gearing for the axles. A friend of ours has had several F350 crew cabs for pulling his 5th wheel. He added a chip, don’t know which one, which he only used when towing. Nice truck. I think the last one he had is/was an ‘02. He had a nice ‘00 same model, but got such a good deal for a new one he decided to change trucks. Now he’s got a National V10 powered motorhome but he ain’t too happy with it. He had to get the roof replaced last year because of leakage. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pull in with his 5th wheel. He went from a really nice three slide model with washer/dryer to a lot less room in the motorhome. HD in NY
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Don’t you have a Powersmoke though Chris. I would expect any decent diesel would out pull most any gasser <g. I like the torque of the V10, wouldn’t mind having over 400 lb/ft. Yep. It is even enough most of the time. In the hills, though, it will downshift, unfortunately. Oh well, I guess I’ll never be satisfied.
Dodge is getting ready to introduce a new truck called the SRT-10. It uses the Viper motor. 500 hp and 525 lb-ft torque. I bet this thing will suck down plenty of gas.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It looks decent in the horsepower department, but the torque seems a little weak to haul that sort of a load. Combine that with 17-inch wheels, and I suspect it’ll need a 4.10 or numerically higher to do what they claim. I’d rather have a v10 or diesel to haul that kind of load. All I could find was on the nissanusa web page, and it didn’t mention rear-end ratio or anything about any possible towing limitations such as frontal area. According to this web page <http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/2004/titan/roadtest/home.s… it looks like 90% of maximum torque is available from 2600 rpm up and since it’s got 379 lb/ft, that’s a lot. It really sounds like they did their homework on this package. It won’t be worth a darn though towing a long heavy trailer. In a couple of driving impressions I read, the drivers commented on how "good" the ride was. Not hard but smooth. That doesn’t speak well for a heavy 30′ trailer whipping its butt around. It’s the stiffer suspension of this ‘03 Ram that makes it good for towing.
That could definitely be a problem. The torque isn’t near as good as on my f350, so I still suspect with a heavy trailer it will spend a lot of time wound up in a lower gear. I’m impressed that they have a locking differential option available, that would be handy in the mud. Who knows, maybe they’ve got something there, time will tell.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a related topic, has anyone seen the new Nissan Titan yet? The specs sound promising. Jim I saw the specs. It took me a bit of time to stop laughing. Only question I have is what rear-end ratio are they going to put under it so it can tow that weight? It’ll have to be pretty low and they’ll have to do a lot of work to keep the cab quiet enough with the engine having to run 4-5krpm just to tow at a reasonable speed.
Are they that under powered? HD in NY
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I saw the specs. It took me a bit of time to stop laughing. Only question I have is what rear-end ratio are they going to put under it so it can tow that weight? It’ll have to be pretty low and they’ll have to do a lot of work to keep the cab quiet enough with the engine having to run 4-5krpm just to tow at a reasonable speed. Are they that under powered?
It looks decent in the horsepower department, but the torque seems a little weak to haul that sort of a load. Combine that with 17-inch wheels, and I suspect it’ll need a 4.10 or numerically higher to do what they claim. I’d rather have a v10 or diesel to haul that kind of load. All I could find was on the nissanusa web page, and it didn’t mention rear-end ratio or anything about any possible towing limitations such as frontal area. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -HD in NY
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the specs. It took me a bit of time to stop laughing. Only question I have is what rear-end ratio are they going to put under it so it can tow that weight? It’ll have to be pretty low and they’ll have to do a lot of work to keep the cab quiet enough with the engine having to run 4-5krpm just to tow at a reasonable speed. Are they that under powered? It looks decent in the horsepower department, but the torque seems a little weak to haul that sort of a load. Combine that with 17-inch wheels, and I suspect it’ll need a 4.10 or numerically higher to do what they claim. I’d rather have a v10 or diesel to haul that kind of load. All I could find was on the nissanusa web page, and it didn’t mention rear-end ratio or anything about any possible towing limitations such as frontal area.
According to this web page <http://www.freshalloy.com/site/cars/nissan/2004/titan/roadtest/home.s… it looks like 90% of maximum torque is available from 2600 rpm up and since it’s got 379 lb/ft, that’s a lot. It really sounds like they did their homework on this package. It won’t be worth a darn though towing a long heavy trailer. In a couple of driving impressions I read, the drivers commented on how "good" the ride was. Not hard but smooth. That doesn’t speak well for a heavy 30′ trailer whipping its butt around. It’s the stiffer suspension of this ‘03 Ram that makes it good for towing. HD in NY
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snipped That could definitely be a problem. The torque isn’t near as good as on my f350, so I still suspect with a heavy trailer it will spend a lot of time wound up in a lower gear. I’m impressed that they have a locking differential option available, that would be handy in the mud. Who knows, maybe they’ve got something there, time will tell.
Don’t you have a Powersmoke though Chris. I would expect any decent diesel would out pull most any gasser <g. I like the torque of the V10, wouldn’t mind having over 400 lb/ft. HD in NY
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As the original poster, thanks everyone for the comments. By the way, it may not matter but the actual maximum total trailer weight of those I looked at was 6,600#, most were a couple hundred # less. On a related topic, has anyone seen the new Nissan Titan yet? The specs sound promising. Jim
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On a related topic, has anyone seen the new Nissan Titan yet? The specs sound promising. Jim
I saw the specs. It took me a bit of time to stop laughing. Only question I have is what rear-end ratio are they going to put under it so it can tow that weight? It’ll have to be pretty low and they’ll have to do a lot of work to keep the cab quiet enough with the engine having to run 4-5krpm just to tow at a reasonable speed.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped HD Which issue of Trailer Life was that test in? Couldn’t find it. Max It’s the December, ‘03 issue. The Durango is on page 23 and the F150 is on page 40. I’ll give the pertinent specs I’m referring to; Durango towing a 6,800 lb boat. This wasn’t a full blown test. 0 to 60 – 21.0 seconds 40 to 60 – 10.9 seconds F150 towing an Outback 28′, 6,240 lbs. This was a test. 0 to 60 – 32 seconds 40 to 60 – 14.6 seconds HD in NY
Found it. Thanks. That new Hemi is impressive. My only problem with Dodge was with body integrity. Not so much from any personal experience but from anecdotes from friends, etc. If Dodge has that problem solved they’ve got a real winner. Max
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As the original poster, thanks everyone for the comments. By the way, it may not matter but the actual maximum total trailer weight of those I looked at was 6,600#, most were a couple hundred # less. On a related topic, has anyone seen the new Nissan Titan yet? The specs sound promising. Jim
I was intriged by the new Nissan Pathfinder Armada – 5.6 300 hp V8 with towing spec of 9,100 lbs. Ya, right! Like the Durango specs. And expensive! Marv
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snipped Found it. Thanks. That new Hemi is impressive. My only problem with Dodge was with body integrity. Not so much from any personal experience but from anecdotes from friends, etc. If Dodge has that problem solved they’ve got a real winner. Max
We’ll see in about 8 or so years <g. This is probably our last tow vehicle. By the time we would need to replace it, I’ll be too damn old to haul a big trailer over the road. I’m hoping DC has cured the problems of the past and I don’t have to trade this puppy for a different make. So far it has been good, with the exception of the windshield washer motor which is being replaced Monday morning. There are no noises in it from poor fitting parts and the exhaust sound is worth the price of admission <g. It made the trip from central NY to Smithfield, NC with ease. Nice ride, good company and decent mileage. HD in NY
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You won’t be happy with that size truck and engine/differential combination pulling a 7000 lb. trailer, IMO.
Rich is right, I have a trailer that weighed a bit less dry, I dragged it home from the dealer using my 1/2 ton Suburban with a 5.7 engine… the truck wasn’t powerful enough. 1/2 ton trucks are basically grocery haulers. When looking for a tow vehcile to tow a heavy trailer go to a 3/4 ton truck. I sold my 1/2 ton, got the 3/4 ton and never looked back. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
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You won’t be happy with that size truck and engine/differential combination pulling a 7000 lb. trailer, IMO. Rich is right, I have a trailer that weighed a bit less dry, I dragged it home from the dealer using my 1/2 ton Suburban with a 5.7 engine… the truck wasn’t powerful enough. 1/2 ton trucks are basically grocery haulers. When looking for a tow vehcile to tow a heavy trailer go to a 3/4 ton truck. I sold my 1/2 ton, got the 3/4 ton and never looked back. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
I’m laughing at that Hunter. Too compare the 5.7L you had to the new 5.3L is not realistic. I think the advice to get the 2500 which comes with the 6.0L is good, not because the 1500 can’t pull the 7,000 lb trailer but because the 5.3L is at its limit doing it. On the other hand, the Ram 1500 with the Hemi is more than capable ot towing the 7,000 lb trailer. And safely too. The F150 with the 5.4L is in the same boat as the GM 5.3L, at the end of it’s limit. The 5.7L Hemi is just getting started at 7,000 lbs. HD in NY
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I’m laughing at that Hunter. Too compare the 5.7L you had to the new 5.3L is not realistic. I think the advice to get the 2500 which comes with the 6.0L is good, not because the 1500 can’t pull the 7,000 lb trailer but because the 5.3L is at its limit doing it. On the other hand, the Ram 1500 with the Hemi is more than capable ot towing the 7,000 lb trailer. And safely too. The F150 with the 5.4L is in the same boat as the GM 5.3L, at the end of it’s limit. The 5.7L Hemi is just getting started at 7,000 lbs.
My 2004 F-150 4×4 is rated for 8800 lbs. It is 300 hp/365 ft-lbs torque and could probably handle the same weight that the Hemi does.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m laughing at that Hunter. Too compare the 5.7L you had to the new 5.3L is not realistic. I think the advice to get the 2500 which comes with the 6.0L is good, not because the 1500 can’t pull the 7,000 lb trailer but because the 5.3L is at its limit doing it. On the other hand, the Ram 1500 with the Hemi is more than capable ot towing the 7,000 lb trailer. And safely too. The F150 with the 5.4L is in the same boat as the GM 5.3L, at the end of it’s limit. The 5.7L Hemi is just getting started at 7,000 lbs. My 2004 F-150 4×4 is rated for 8800 lbs. It is 300 hp/365 ft-lbs torque and could probably handle the same weight that the Hemi does.
Nope. Take a look at the latest issue of Trailer Life. I thought so too until I read that. The test they did with the ‘04 Durango and the ‘04 F150 was an eye-opener. Putting aside whether the two vehicles should be towing a 7,000 lb trailer, the Durango with it’s detuned engine, walked all over the 5.4L F150. I was really surprised as I expected the 5.4L to do nearly as well as the Hemi. It didn’t. The Ram Hemi should widen the gap even more. HD in NY
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I am currently looking to trade up to a 1/2 ton with the intention of buying a travel trailer. Having seen so many people with mismatched vehicles/trailers I am looking at both at the same time to be sure of a correct match. Any trailer that I am interested in weighs in around the 6000lb (dry), 7000lb (loaded), range. For various reasons we have decided on the Sierra/Silverado(1500 2WD) with the 5.3V8 and 3.73 axle along with the trailer package which gives a tow rating of 8100lbs
I don’t think you’ll be satisfied with the pulling power of the 5.3L, 3.73 combination. The 6.0L is available in a 1/2 ton but I would strongly recommend getting a 3/4 ton. The brakes, springs, axles, frame members, etc. are stronger. (all info you can get from the dealer) I pull a 7200 (loaded) trailer with a Sierra 2500HD, 6.0L, 4.10 axle and while I’m satisfied with the performance I wouldn’t want to pull anything heavier. So I am not sure what to say to the truck dealer – is the class 3/4 OK
Non issue. Just to add to the confusion, I am aware of other hitches like PullRite and Hensley($$)and was wondering if I should try out the regular hitch with all the WD gear first
Any RV dealer worth doing business with will include the hitch in the sale so ask him for a hitch from Equal-i-zer (www.equalizerhitch.com). The weight distributing bars on that particular hitch also serve as sway dampeners and the hitch is not significantly more expensive than others in that category. Notice I didn’t say sway "control". No such thing. Thanks for any advice to a newbie. Jim
Good luck, Max
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snipped I don’t think you’ll be satisfied with the pulling power of the 5.3L, 3.73 combination. The 6.0L is available in a 1/2 ton but I would
snipped And, it was a 2500 in disguise, not a 1500. That was a good pick for serious towing but GM dropped it. The same basic truck can be bought as a standard 2500. HD in NY
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Nope. Take a look at the latest issue of Trailer Life. I thought so too until I read that. The test they did with the ‘04 Durango and the ‘04 F150 was an eye-opener. Putting aside whether the two vehicles should be towing a 7,000 lb trailer, the Durango with it’s detuned engine, walked all over the 5.4L F150. I was really surprised as I expected the 5.4L to do nearly as well as the Hemi. It didn’t. The Ram Hemi should widen the gap even more. HD in NY
HD Which issue of Trailer Life was that test in? Couldn’t find it. Max
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snipped HD Which issue of Trailer Life was that test in? Couldn’t find it. Max
It’s the December, ‘03 issue. The Durango is on page 23 and the F150 is on page 40. I’ll give the pertinent specs I’m referring to; Durango towing a 6,800 lb boat. This wasn’t a full blown test. 0 to 60 – 21.0 seconds 40 to 60 – 10.9 seconds F150 towing an Outback 28′, 6,240 lbs. This was a test. 0 to 60 – 32 seconds 40 to 60 – 14.6 seconds It isn’t a real close comparison but you can see how much stronger the Hemi was than the 5.4L. It really surprised me as the axle ratios were in the F150s favor. The Durango had P245/75R/17s and 3.55 gears, while the F150 had 265/60R/18s with 3.73 gears. I didn’t check the actual diameters of each tire size and compare the effective ratios but on the surface they look close. I could understand a little about the 0 to 60 time if I look at the low gear ratio of the Dodge. It has a 3:1 first gear but that doesn’t explain the 40 to 60 passing test difference. Like I said, the Hemi is slightly detuned for the Durango. It puts out 330 hp and 370 lb/ft compared to 345 hp and 375 lb/ft for the Ram Hemi. In any case, I’m glad the Ford dealer didn’t bother calling me back when he found a truck that matched my specs <g. The Dodge dealer was glad to get my ‘02 Sierra in trade. HD in NY
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I am currently looking to trade up to a 1/2 ton with the intention of buying a travel trailer. Having seen so many people with mismatched vehicles/trailers I am looking at both at the same time to be sure of a correct match. Any trailer that I am interested in weighs in around the 6000lb (dry), 7000lb (loaded), range. For various reasons we have decided on the Sierra/Silverado(1500 2WD) with the 5.3V8 and 3.73 axle along with the trailer package which gives a tow rating of 8100lbs.
You’ll spend a lot of time cussing on the road that you didn’t move up to a bigger truck and power plant. You need at least a 6.0 V-8 and 2500 series. The 3/4 hitch means it’ll accomodate either; it’s a non-issue. Go by the trailer’s GVWR, not any "dry wgt", "loaded wgt" estimate. Just my 2 cents; you’ll probably get a lot more from others. Marv
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The 3/4 hitch means it’ll accomodate either; it’s a non-issue. Go by the trailer’s GVWR, not any "dry wgt", "loaded wgt" estimate.
A 3/4 ton costs very little more, its a must. Sorobon
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snipped Thanks for any advice to a newbie. Jim
I can tell you my experience. Our ‘02 Sierra 1500 had the tow package and IMHO the standard hitch is poor. Our former HR Alumalite trailer had a hitch weight of about 600 lbs. When I cranked it up to put the weight distributing bars on, the hitch receiver moved up, which showed there was some weakness in the hitch. When we got the newer ‘00 HR Alumascape, it had a hitch weight of about 1,000 lbs. Raising the hitch to put the bars on resulted in even more movement. Even though the hitch was rated for more than I put on it, it still wasn’t as strong as it should have been. Our current ‘03 Ram 1500 hitch on the other hand, doesn’t move up at all. The hitch is much stronger than the GM hitch. Once the GM 1500 was hooked up, it was fine. But I have to admit, the Ram is far better. Do yourself a favor and take a good look at the new Ram 1500 with the Hemi. It has more power and more capability than either the Silverado/Sierra or the Ford. A test of the new Dodge Durango with a detuned Hemi in it and a test of a new ‘04 Ford F150 point out just how strong the Dodge Hemi is. They towed a 6,800 lb boat with the Durango and a 6,100 lb travel trailer with the Ford. The 0 to 60 times were much better with the Hemi, in spite of it towing a heavier load. My mileage with the Hemi is better than I got with the Sierra 4.8L. JMHO HD in NY
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I am currently looking to trade up to a 1/2 ton with the intention of buying a travel trailer. Having seen so many people with mismatched vehicles/trailers I am looking at both at the same time to be sure of a correct match. Any trailer that I am interested in weighs in around the 6000lb (dry), 7000lb (loaded), range. For various reasons we have decided on the Sierra/Silverado(1500 2WD) with the 5.3V8 and 3.73 axle along with the trailer package which gives a tow rating of 8100lbs. Now here is the dumb question of the day…the trailer package includes a hitch which is rated as a Class 3, or Class 4 with weight ditribution bars. The trailer dealer says I should have a Class 4 hitch. Some hitch web sites do seem to jump from class 3 to class 5 and mention WD for class 4 while others show a class 4. So I am not sure what to say to the truck dealer – is the class 3/4 OK or do I say I want the trailer package w/o the hitch and I’ll get my own, or insist they install a real class 4? Just to add to the confusion, I am aware of other hitches like PullRite and Hensley($$)and was wondering if I should try out the regular hitch with all the WD gear first then decide if I need an alternate one. I will be doing some long distance/long term hauling. By the way, I have been pulling trailers for years but on a smaller scale and have never had to face these issues. Thanks for any advice to a newbie. Jim
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