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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

It is the Nut behind the wheel that caused the accident NOT the 4WD it self. The 4WD is a Machine , it has no intelligence , awareness , personality or nervous system , it is just a pile of polished metal sitting there waiting for some human to drive it.( mainly trendies ) 4WD’s are as save as the idiot driving it. Sandgroper Remove XXNOSPAMXX in reply address

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn.

The 4WD is a Machine , it has no intelligence , awareness , personality or nervous system , it is just a pile of polished metal sitting there waiting for some human to drive it.( mainly trendies ) 4WD’s are as safe as the idiot driving it. Sandgroper Remove XXNOSPAMXX in reply address

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

Surely it’s time banned twits who can’t drive. What makes a 4WD any less safe than any other car not being driven properly according to prevailing conditions? Give me a 4WD on the highway any day. The increased visiblity is enough for me – and the fact that my head is 300mm plus above most other peoples (unlike hatches where you head is little more than bumper bar level) is an added bonus. Regards

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The guy is just trying to start an argument, he’s TROLLING!  Leave it alone, he’ll go off and sulk LOL! Jerry — Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL KC6TAY C.A.P. The Zen Hotdog… make me one with everything!

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Get your facts straight, it was the other car that spun out of control crossed to the wrong side, and was hit by a 4WD In the 4WD the occupants SURVIVED, unlike those in the other "car". I’d rather a modern 4WD, than an old Falcon like the one trashed, for safety anyday

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

Yet another plane has demonstrated their unsafeness by dropping from our skies killing hundreds. Surely it is time the world banned flying apparatus from our skies – a place obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe? Pat, Brisbane, Australia, Live Hard, Die Upside Down! It’s a Land Rover Thing, Nobody Understands!

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Heh, let’s see some #s on how many accidents are caused by pedestrian stupidity. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in  an horrific accident out of Goulburn.  Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our  highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and  where they are not safe? What a stupid analogy, if this is the case we must ban all cars, motorcycles, buses, trucks, vans, bicycles, etc. Sounds like the typical liberal whine. BTW guns don’t kill, people do.

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You have a point! Why do Australians need 4WD’s to travel on highways? Regardless of who is at fault in this accident, is there a need for most Aussie 4WD owners to own one? Not really! I know of quite a few people who have 4WD’s who have and never will use them for there intended use. These people have also fitted bullbars and spotlights just to make the vehicle fit the scene. What a joke as they live in Urban areas. Sure there is a genuine need for these vehicles and those vehicles should be available to them. Not to the idiot who just wants a 4WD for it’s great high driving position and it’s ability to run over most cars in the event of an accident. Thing is when I learnt to drive it was imposed on me to think about other road users and a lot of these newer owners of large 4WD’s seem to adopt the attitude of fuck everyone else. The 4WD has evolved from an outright agriculture machine to a family luxo hack. Do you really think that 4WD manufactures give a shit why people buy their product. Of course they do! That’s why most 4WD’s are aimed at the Urban Idiot market. The height of these things and the full chassis system plays a big part in the mechanics of crashes. Cars are designed to have accidents with other cars, not 4WD’s. Unlike most 4WD’s, cars these days have full side intrusion protection aimed at providing protection to the occupants for side on accidents. Now, if someone in a Landcruiser runs that red light and hits the side of your car, the side impact protection in your car is utterly useless because the impacting 4WD is aiming for you head. The thing is if the 4WD does roll after the accident because of its high centre of gravity, the occupants have a lesser chance of surviving than occupants of a modern car. Either way the car driver loses. 4WD’s have a place and it’s not on the highway or on the local street. Warren

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have a point! Why do Australians need 4WD’s to travel on highways? Regardless of who is at fault in this accident, is there a need for most Aussie 4WD owners to own one? Not really! I know of quite a few people who have 4WD’s who have and never will use them for there intended use. These people have also fitted bullbars and spotlights just to make the vehicle fit the scene. What a joke as they live in Urban areas. Sure there is a genuine need for these vehicles and those vehicles should be available to them. Not to the idiot who just wants a 4WD for it’s great high driving position and it’s ability to run over most cars in the event of an accident. Thing is when I learnt to drive it was imposed on me to think about other road users and a lot of these newer owners of large 4WD’s seem to adopt the attitude of fuck everyone else. The 4WD has evolved from an outright agriculture machine to a family luxo hack. Do you really think that 4WD manufactures give a shit why people buy their product. Of course they do! That’s why most 4WD’s are aimed at the Urban Idiot market. The height of these things and the full chassis system plays a big part in the mechanics of crashes. Cars are designed to have accidents with other cars, not 4WD’s. Unlike most 4WD’s, cars these days have full side intrusion protection aimed at providing protection to the occupants for side on accidents. Now, if someone in a Landcruiser runs that red light and hits the side of your car, the side impact protection in your car is utterly useless because the impacting 4WD is aiming for you head. The thing is if the 4WD does roll after the accident because of its high centre of gravity, the occupants have a lesser chance of surviving than occupants of a modern car. Either way the car driver loses. 4WD’s have a place and it’s not on the highway or on the local street. Warren

Yet another extreme reactionary.  Next you’ll want all motor vehicles banned because we should all be on push bikes with trainer wheels. If someone gets a thrill out of buying and driving a 4WD, it is little different to other vehicle drivers who buy a standard car and then put mags and scoops and other appealing items on them. They want a vehicle they will be happy with. Do you also ban all trucks off the road because they intimidate you. Different strokes for different folks except you seem to be stroking yourself too much. Driver education and stringent road and vehicle laws are more appropriate.

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Actually vehicles are controlled by people, hence a 4WD cannot lose control. The driver lost control of the 4WD. I seem to remember excessive speed being an issue in this crash too. If someone has one bigger than yours, does it make you feel inferior Ferg ?  Its the only explanation I can think of for this 4WD obsession of yours.

Ta, that’ll be 11 points for me, then. (7 for personal abuse, and 4 for trying to use logic)

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  4WD should be banned from highways?      That would mean a LOT less cars on the highway, but id still drive my Blazer 4×4, its all I have, and in a way I consider it, well my baby.

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Actually vehicles are controlled by people, hence a 4WD cannot lose control. The driver lost control of the 4WD.

And is a gun on this basis any different ? I seem to remember excessive speed being an issue in this crash too. If someone has one bigger than yours, does it make you feel inferior Ferg ?  Its the only explanation I can think of for this 4WD obsession of yours.

Or the obsession (by many) to remove guns from the populace ? Cheers Daniel PS Ferg – how would you move 4 WD vehicles around (from garage to place required) if not using the highways ?  Many areas there is no alternative to the highway (however large or small that thoroughfare might be.

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

How exactly was the vehicle demonstrating its "unsafeness"? What did the vehicle do that made it unsafe, aside from the drivers recklessness? If the driver had been obeying laws (common sense isn’t a law) would the "unsafeness" of the 4x still have caused the accident? What are your reasons for believing they should be banned from anything? How are they inherently less safe than any other vehicle when driver error is not an issue. A woman applying lipstick driving Volvo or Toyota Sienna through a school zone is just as dangerous as a 4x speeding in the rain. In case you haven’t noticed, very rarely does a car cause the death of someone. Without any statistics on hand, I would say driver error causes 98% of the accidents, be it mechanical failure or ignoring laws, whatever. What makes you consider they are not designed for freeway driving (assuming this is a new vehicle designed for everyday civilian use)? If a 4x owner reads his/her manual I do believe it says to allow for extra stopping distance and (I know my Samurai has it on the door) warns that it doesn’t handle or maneuver like an ordinary passenger car. But a motorcycle, moped, semi, truck, trailer, and even some sports cars (other???) will not handle like a passenger car either. So what is your basis for saying they weren’t designed for freeway use? Guns are not even an accurate analogy in this case. I can hide a gun in my pocket and sneak it many places. Cars are generally on roads and should be watched for there. It is naturally assumed that by being on a road there is some risk involved. A driver must drive defensively and intelligently in order to minimize risk! If you want to have the opinion that they are gas guzzling, ozone depleting, natural resource hogs, be my guest. Do not blame driver error on the vehicle. Christina Before you buy.

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I think we should all drive humvies!!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have a point! Why do Australians need 4WD’s to travel on highways? Regardless of who is at fault in this accident, is there a need for most Aussie 4WD owners to own one? Not really! I know of quite a few people who have 4WD’s who have and never will use them for there intended use. These people have also fitted bullbars and spotlights just to make the vehicle fit the scene. What a joke as they live in Urban areas. Sure there is a genuine need for these vehicles and those vehicles should be available to them. Not to the idiot who just wants a 4WD for it’s great high driving position and it’s ability to run over most cars in the event of an accident. Thing is when I learnt to drive it was imposed on me to think about other road users and a lot of these newer owners of large 4WD’s seem to adopt the attitude of fuck everyone else. The 4WD has evolved from an outright agriculture machine to a family luxo hack. Do you really think that 4WD manufactures give a shit why people buy their product. Of course they do! That’s why most 4WD’s are aimed at the Urban Idiot market. The height of these things and the full chassis system plays a big part in the mechanics of crashes. Cars are designed to have accidents with other cars, not 4WD’s. Unlike most 4WD’s, cars these days have full side intrusion protection aimed at providing protection to the occupants for side on accidents. Now, if someone in a Landcruiser runs that red light and hits the side of your car, the side impact protection in your car is utterly useless because the impacting 4WD is aiming for you head. The thing is if the 4WD does roll after the accident because of its high centre of gravity, the occupants have a lesser chance of surviving than occupants of a modern car. Either way the car driver loses. 4WD’s have a place and it’s not on the highway or on the local street. Warren Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

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Heh, let’s see some #s on how many accidents are caused by pedestrian stupidity.

What about #s on kills caused by the over 80’s in motor accidents. mag – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in  an horrific accident out of Goulburn.  Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our  highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and  where they are not safe? What a stupid analogy, if this is the case we must ban all cars, motorcycles, buses, trucks, vans, bicycles, etc. Sounds like the typical liberal whine. BTW guns don’t kill, people do.

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Yet another extreme reactionary.  Next you’ll want all motor vehicles banned because we should all be on push bikes with trainer wheels. If someone gets a thrill out of buying and driving a 4WD, it is little different No, if you were with me when I cut out lifeless bodies of adults, children and babies and see whole families destroyed you would see the situation from a total different perspective. Like I said, 4WD’s have a place!

Oh great, a sensationalist too.  Have you ever thought of blaming the driver and not the vehicle. to other vehicle drivers who buy a standard car and then put mags and scoops and other appealing items on them. They want a vehicle they will be happy with. That is a little different from the reasons why urban dwellers  purchase 4WD’s. Most Urban dwellers who buy 4WD’s do so out of ignorance.

Maybe they buy them because they feel alot safer in them.  What would the situation be if we all drove big heavy 4WD’s? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you also ban all trucks off the road because they intimidate you. Hardly! Trucks create less traffic. If you have ever driven a truck you will know that it is not the truck drivers fault in the majority of truck accidents but other road users. Same for motor bikes! Different strokes for different folks except you seem to be stroking yourself too much. Are you talking from experience? Maybe you’re the Tosser! Driver education and stringent road and vehicle laws are more appropriate. Our road laws are very stringent already. I agree with you on driver education as it is all too easy to obtain a drivers licence. This thread isn’t about driver ed or road laws though, it’s about a particlar type of vehicle and are people really making the correct descision in buying and operating a 4WD. Think not! Warren

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You have a point! Why do Australians need 4WD’s to travel on highways? Regardless of who is at fault in this accident, is there a need for most Aussie 4WD owners to own one? Not really! I know of quite a few people who have 4WD’s who have and never will use them for there intended use. snip of a load of crap.

<sigh….. Another illuminated one. — Cheers Nuno Souto http://users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den Before you buy.

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

Never,never let the truth get in the way of a good troll, eh? Jeez….. — Cheers Nuno Souto http://users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den Before you buy.

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Yet another extreme reactionary.  Next you’ll want all motor vehicles banned because we should all be on push bikes with trainer wheels. If someone gets a thrill out of buying and driving a 4WD, it is little

different No, if you were with me when I cut out lifeless bodies of adults, children and babies and see whole families destroyed you would see the situation from a total different perspective. Like I said, 4WD’s have a place! to other vehicle drivers who buy a standard car and then put mags and scoops and other appealing items on them. They want a vehicle they will be happy with.

That is a little different from the reasons why urban dwellers  purchase 4WD’s. Most Urban dwellers who buy 4WD’s do so out of ignorance. Do you also ban all trucks off the road because they intimidate you.

Hardly! Trucks create less traffic. If you have ever driven a truck you will know that it is not the truck drivers fault in the majority of truck accidents but other road users. Same for motor bikes! Different strokes for different folks except you seem to be stroking yourself too much.

Are you talking from experience? Maybe you’re the Tosser! Driver education and stringent road and vehicle laws are more appropriate.

Our road laws are very stringent already. I agree with you on driver education as it is all too easy to obtain a drivers licence. This thread isn’t about driver ed or road laws though, it’s about a particlar type of vehicle and are people really making the correct descision in buying and operating a 4WD. Think not! Warren

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Pheww! Troll stench! — "If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

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 Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in  an horrific accident out of Goulburn.  Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our  highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and  where they are not safe? What a stupid analogy, if this is the case we must ban all cars, motorcycles, buses, trucks, vans, bicycles, etc. Sounds like the typical liberal whine. BTW guns don’t kill, people do.

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 Actually vehicles are controlled by people, hence a 4WD cannot lose  control. The driver lost control of the 4WD. I seem to remember  excessive speed being an issue in this crash too.  If someone has one bigger than yours, does it make you feel inferior  Ferg ?  Its the only explanation I can think of for this 4WD obsession  of yours. Now I thought I had heard of this whiner before. You big whiner Ferg;-)

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Hell, let’s just ban everything and lock ourselves in padded rooms until we all starve to death. Or I got an idea – how bout we ban rice burners – those whiny little things really piss me off.  They cause a danger to me in my 4×4 because I might get so annoyed might head would explode.  I don’t feel safe with those little tin boxes whining around all over the place.  The amount of noise they put out is inversely proportional to their performance, it seems.  They might scratch my paint because I couldn’t see them and I ran over them. So if a 2wd has an accident, its the driver’s fault, but if a 4wd has an accident, its the vehicle’s fault?  How about we all just take responsiblity for our own actions, that would be a nice start.  If we’d take responsibility for what we did, maybe something would get done besides damn fingerpointing.

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Yet another 4WD has demonstrated its unsafeness yesterday in an horrific accident out of Goulburn. Surely it is time the government banned 4WDs from our highways – a place they obviously aren’t designed for and where they are not safe?

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Actually vehicles are controlled by people, hence a 4WD cannot lose control. The driver lost control of the 4WD. I seem to remember excessive speed being an issue in this crash too. If someone has one bigger than yours, does it make you feel inferior Ferg ?  Its the only explanation I can think of for this 4WD obsession of yours. David Moss personal opinion only http://plato.itsc.adfa.edu.au/apr The Australian Politics Resource

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